I was just wondering how you felt about it. I think it's just stupidthat you're dedicating so much time bashing white people and complaining how theyre racist when you're clearly being racist. And i know you're gonna throw in your know it all legal mumbo jumbo and frankly nobody gives a shit, I just don't like it that you feel like you have the right to bash the "white race" for being racist when you're no better your self.
LOL @ you completely misusing the word “racist.”
ALSO, lol @ trivializing “legal mumbo jumbo,” because basically you’re saying, “your thoughts have a rational and legal basis but it’s too confusing and thus since I don’t understand it, it doesn’t count.”
I’ll tell you who DOES give a shit: The Supreme Court of the United States. Also George Zimmerman. Also, everybody talking about the legalities of racial discrimination EVERYWHERE.
Why the fuck you so up in arms about defending the white saviors, anyways? Bitch, if I wanted to hear about how awesome white people oppressing POCS was, I would read a motherfucking Christian Bible homeschooling history book. I would not deal with your incoherent whatsits on tumblr. You are a fail and a half.
So let’s go with this, then… What exactly is worth celebrating about being white? I mean, I’m white- but as far as I can tell, we suck pretty hard.
There’s lots to celabrate about being white! First of all, we look good. (And I’m not saying that POC don’t look good.)
You look good because white supremacy normalizes and celebrates whiteness while reducing POC to caricatures according to decussated colonial tropes. The savage, the brute, the squaw, the lascivious princess. White beauty is everywhere, it is in print media, visual media and it informs everything.
Including your subjective interpretation of beauty.
Secondly, our history is amazing.
Prior to the Enlightenment, Europe was a teeming hive of disease and superstition. The plague flourished, war and conquest between fractious nobles was commonplace and European society languished in ignorance for hundreds of years upon the bones previous civilizations.
However, all that war and disease meant that Europeans became very good at killing, which brings me to the next part.
(And I’m not saying that other peoples’ history isn’t amazing.) Europeans (and Arabs?) were the first ones to develop science.
Base-10 was first used in Egypt. Mathematics were developed by Arabs. The zero as we understand it appeared in modern-day Mexico hundreds of years before the Greeks even conceived of it, some 400 BC.
Among other things.
Europeans, in their murdering crusades and in their genocidal colonialism, stole what they knew and burned the evidence of their theft, salting the ground and ensuring their primacy so that ignorant white supremacists like you can point at this supposedly glorious history of whiteness with pride.
They were the first ones to systematically investigate the surrounding world and try to make sense of it.
lol. Are we talking about the same white people who drew pictures of cotton with sheep growing out of them?
Ok, the Mayans did that, too - math and astronomy - but for some reason their culture vanished mysteriously before they could make any breakthroughs in technology.
The Mayans are still here, asshole. Still living, still thriving despite the best attempts of white supremacy to change that. You elide the fact that “some reason” means that white people stole what they could and burned what they couldn’t, including advanced concepts of mathematics which Europeans couldn’t conceive of.
The Chinese were also great mathematicians and inventors but for some reason the most important scientific discoveries were always made by Europeans.
Gunpowder, for one, you ignorant shit.
White history is filled with beautiful art and culture. Just look at our architechture, it’s amazing. And our music - Beethoven, Mozart etc. It’s very beautiful and delicate. Western art is more sophisticated than other cultures’ art. I’m not saying that other cultures’ art is not good but everything that involves analytical thinking seems to have been developped by Europeans (for example, graphical perspective).
Oh god, I'm sorry, it's the "I feel like I don't belong" anon. I just saw the person who worked the system after I sent the ask! Please disregard that question, I didn't realize the fuckery you're putting up with. I'm sorry you have to deal with that type of jackass.
haahaha, personally, I would say, when it comes to your racial experience, coming from a POC background, nobody has the right to say, “Bitch, you are wrong.” I mean, I feel like being a “passing” POC means you’re even more aware of white privilege, because you see FIRST HAND how society treats you differently.
That being said, USE that shit. One of my friends in college went through a lot of grief because she didn’t “look Latina.” She was constantly having to “defend” herself as being a “real Hispanic woman.” Which is..you know…ridiculous.
If you find yourself, as a POC (meaning coming from a certain ethnic background), being shat on by white people because “you’re not really a POC” then you can sincerely tell them to shut the fuck up, stand up on a podium, and scream out your frustrations to the entire world.
Because damn, everybody’s got to know. Everybody’s got a right to be heard.
I have an honest question: I'm mixed, but have passing privilege. I don't feel like I belong under the label of PoC because of my passing privilege, but I don't label myself as white, because that isn't what I am...I guess what I'm trying to ask is, even though I have passing privilege, would I still count as a PoC? Or am I white because of my appearance? I just feel like I don't belong anywhere.
oh my god, are you the same person who just message me? LOL.
I feel like you can be a POC but still pass as white, and thus, have white privilege. But your identity as a POC is definitely more than skin color; it’s about personal experience.
Imma let other people handle this one, because I’m sure I have mixed followers who can answer this better than I ever will.
But I will say this: You are where you came from. Your identity is your experiences. Never let anyone deny those experiences. Ever.
So in white but my grandfather is black. I just got a 12000 dollar scholarship for being part black even though I'm blonde with blue green eyes and white skin.
so you’re mixed, but you pass as white. You have white privilege, and yet you still count as a minority. What are you trying to say? That everyone should be as genetically “lucky” as you?
I’m going to say this only once:
Affirmative action was created to remedy the discriminatory harms of the past that resulted in the disparities of the present.
So I don’t know what you’re trying to say, but if it’s something along the lines of “LOL I WORK THE SYSTEM” or “I’M WHITE BUT I’M BLACK RACE DOESN’T MATTER” then I’m just going to leave that for other people to respond to because I really don’t have the energy for it right now.
Since someone else already addressed asshole anon's "wah the Germans and Irish" I'm here to tell them HEY ASSHOLE WANNA THROW DOWN WITH A JEW ON THE RELATION OF JEWS TO WHITENESS? COME AT ME BRO. Jews are POC if they're... wait for it... actually people of color! White Jews are white and we got that by shitting on black people! Fuck you!
For your anon: If you'd like for me to explain to you in excruciating detail about why you need to shut the fuck up and stop bringing Irish people into your argument, shoot me an ask. I'm more than happy to educate you on how my people gave up their language, culture, nationalism, and heritage to become white; all while spitting on ever other PoC in the process. I'll be waiting.
I am not white. I actually agree with most of the things you say. I brought up the historical examples simply to say that you are incorrect when you base someone being white on skin color alone. I was not disagreeing with the white vs. POC comments.
you were being a dick. End of story.
(you know, I am always amused by the sheer amount of white apologist anons I get. You’re not white? Fucking prove it then. Go off anon like a person who’s willing to back up their shit)
I just wanted to say that there were Germans in internment camps. Definitely not in as large of numbers or anything but it did happen. That being said I really love your blog and agree with you on basically everything. c:
to be frank, Korematsu (the Supreme Court case) specifically cites German immigrants as not being “nearly as subversive or rebellious.”
The German and Irish immigrants who came here became white by shitting on PoC and upholding white supremacy. They kissed white people's asses and became white themselves through their racist actions. Try again, Irish and German anon. You fail.
and if the German immigrants were so oppressed, why the fuck weren’t they thrown in to the WWII internment camps, like the Japanese?
if you’re going to argue about how racism isn’t about white people vs. POC, and then use the irish to bring up how “omg they weren’t white!” that argument doesn’t really make sense…
….because they weren’t considered white BACK THEN and ARE CONSIDERED WHITE NOW and it was all about their appearance and “inferior to western” culture.
THEY ARE WHITE NOW. SO NO, YOU CANNOT USE IRISH PEOPLE AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHITE PEOPLE OPPRESSED BY RACISM.
IF YOU ARE OPPOSED TO USING ARGUMENTS ABOUT PAST HISTORY OF DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE HEY, IT’S NOT LIKE THAT ANYMORE AND SLAVERY IS ALL GONE AND VANISHED
YOU CANNOT MAKE MY HEART BLEED FOR THE POOR IRISH PEOPLE WHO ARE NO LONGER OPPRESSED EITHER.
I AM SORRY.
AND even if we disregard that, the difference between Irish people and Black/Asian/Hispanic/Latina/Desi/other POCs is, guess what:
WE STILL HAVE NOT ‘ASCENDED” INTO WHITENESS.
We will NEVER be considered white. We are just too different. And if you’re saying that’s OUR CULTURE’S fault for not assimilating, you need to step right over here, and swallow my metaphorical, huge, spiked dick.
You say its always easy to distinguish a 'white' person just because of white skin. Bullshit. The Irish weren't considered white following the wave of Irish immigration to America. Neither were other groups such as the Germans and the Jews for example. Your line about being able to tell a white person walking down the street is incorrect. White is a social construct that is not and was not based only on skin color.
I mean, obviously white is a social construct but that doesn’t really detract from the fact that POCs are not considered white and the dichotomy is white/POC.
So….yeah….I have no idea what your point is, other than you seem a bit belligerent and misguided and focus-less. Might I suggest meditation and a huge piece of “logic pie”?
just sending you a little anon love today after all the bullshit you have to deal with. love your blog and fuck the ignorant haters (only don't really because misogynists, racists, and overall fuckwads are notoriously terrible between the sheets)
Do you consider yourself a 'POC'? What about Mediterranean people? South American? Irish travellers or Roma Gypsies who consider themselves ethnically distinct from others in their country and are subject to extreme 'racism'? Are they too white to be counted? If this racial prejudice is based on a white/everything else distinction, you're insane.
I’m fucking Asian. Come at me and tell me I’m white. Really.
And Roma (I’m really not sure you can even use the word “gypsy” here without pissing people off) are definitely minorities, considering, HELLO GENOCIDE.
Too bad white people are always quick to point out that “white is such a hard line to draw,” without stating the obvious fact that “when a white person walks down the street, people have no issues determining if they are white enough to grant them certain privileges.”
Fuck you anon, I am really tired of people trying to make racism make sense by invalidating my identity.
HEADS UP to all the racist white folk who keep complaining about "the race card" and how nothing they say is racist, and if it is, it's only because POC "label it that way."
ahem, in Plessy v. Ferguson, the Supreme Court upheld SEGREGATION, under there easing that enforced separation of race is not a badge of inferiority, and even if it was, this was solely “because the colored race choices to put that construction on it.”
Meaning, “it’s only a badge of inferiority because you’re moaning about how it makes you feel inferior. OBJECTIVELY, IT’S NOT.”
So any time you make the argument, “it’s just the race card! Oh my god, it’s not really racist, you’re just misconstruing it like that!”
…you are using the exact same argument that was used to uphold segregation.
we are not asking for “special treatment”, we want to be seen as humans. Not a fashion statement, a mascot, or a mythical people from your favorite books. Headdresses are sacred and take a long time to earn, if you did not earn it than you have no right to wear it.
Women are not supposed to wear headdresses, because its taboo. And wearing one does not make you cute or macho, it makes you look very racist.
So women shouldn’t wear headdresses? What the fuck? Why should I respect misogynist or chauvinist aspects of any culture? I don’t respect misogynist/chauvinist aspects of my own culture and I’m not going to respect such aspects of any other culture, either, no matter how “sacred” those aspects are to someone else.
White feminists can just fuck off and go back to reading about how their entire feminism came from Native American and Black women.
The crux of the matter being that your culture is yours to criticize and change. Other cultures aren’t. But this is a tough concept especially to white Americans who never seem to realize that there are other cultures in the first place, so start small.
I think when people have a good self-esteem they don’t freak out about other people “stealing” their culture. Instead, they are happy that their culture can bring joy to someone else’s life. People with a healthy dose of self-esteem don’t think they “own” ideas just because their great-great-great-grandparents were the ones to come up with them.
deciding what self-esteem is
deciding how people should have it
policing people’s reactions
shaming people for not meeting your demands of “self-esteem”
Wow, you’re so enlightened that you aren’t even capable of having a discussion without getting to decide how people should react and feel.
In my culture, people exchange and develop ideas.
Nah, they just steal.
When someone has a good idea, another person can take that idea and turn it into something completely new - at least ideally (of course we have patent laws etc). That’s how creativity works.
Wow! You are SO credible, especially when you…
If I think that headdresses look cool, I can work them into something even cooler, combining them with other ideas, some of which may be my own.
… actually think that taking a shitty trend that’s been around since Columbus is “creative”.
Wake up, child. You’re churning out the same bullshit as every other white kid with five bucks and a glue gun. Unexamined entitlement is not creativity.
I don’t have to swallow the whole package of ideas that is supposed to come with the headdress, such as Native American religions or their values. Exchanging, combining, being creative - this is how things and ideas can evolve into the best that they can be.
Because of course it’s up to you to set the rules for everybody else.
Honestly, I’m not buying this bullshit about headdresses worn by white people being “racists” no matter how sacred they are to someone. It’s not racist or ignorant, it’s fun and creative. It’s the way that a creative, intelligent, open-minded and sophisticated culture works.
I dunno how do you people actually manage to cling to these sad misconceptions of white culture somehow being intelligent, open-minded and sophisticated? Then I remember that none of you ever hear about how nearly all of that cultural and material wealth you flaunt is stolen from other cultures and sigh.
Colonization is never cute. Genocide isn’t worthy of praise.
And I think that it’s racist or at least very closed-minded to think that someone can’t wear a headdress or do something just because they’re not a part of the right culture. I once read someone say that white people shouldn’t do yoga, that it’s somehow disrespectful! And this person was being serious. How stupid and racist can one get?
That’s what I wonder, reading your inane post. How fucking stupid can you be? How fucking ignorant do you have to be to actually tag this bs with #feminism?
Haters gonna hate.
PS. I think that white chicks wearing headdresses look amazing.
Nope, they just look like pasty racists.
White People Ethics = genocide
Only a white person could look at a history of genocide and oppression and rape and fetishization and incorrect, stereotypical offensive portrayals of a culture and think
"No, you’re just being racist because we’re smarter and more enlightened. It’s not oppression. It’s forceful education. Plus, we look better in this shit than you do anyways."
“For the first eight years of our marriage, [Michelle and I] were paying more in student loans than what we were paying for our mortgage. So we know what this is about.
And we were lucky to land good jobs with a steady income. But we only finished paying off our student loans—check this out, all right, I’m the President of the United States—we only finished paying off our student loans about eight years ago.”—President Obama in North Carolina today on why Congress has to act to prevent interest rates on student loans from doubling (via barackobama)
'Uninformed anon' has got a Masters (not that it matters, just felt like I'd justify myself) in knowing what the definition of 'race' and 'racism' is, and your definition just doesn't really cut it. And my skin colour has got nothing to do with my perspective. I'd like to think growing up in a recently independent former colony does though. Where I'm from, you can get beaten up for having the wrong accent, the wrong religion, the wrong culture. Skin colour doesn't come into that one.
if you honestly think that people don’t make assumptions about culture and religion and accent based on skin color, you live in a bubble. Go away.
“Ain’t it cute when 19 year old gaybies freshly pressed in the heteronormative factory puff their way out of the closet and then proceed to try teach us all how it’s done! I feel like saying “Wake me when you’re balls drop gurl, then we can have a real gay man’s conversation.”—(via stopracismandhomophobiaongrindr)
White (specifically upper-class, affluent, professionals and “Organics”) New Yorkers tend to have the most soul-sucking conversations.They are so oblivious to the oppression and destruction going on in their world. Sometimes I seriously give them death-stares of mutilated interest, because, it’s like—how do you consistently live like this and not notice that everything you surround yourself with is as false and irrelevant as Ne-Yo’s career? It seriously must be nice living The White Life. The Waspiness of it all, it’s really inconceivable how people live this way. They LIVE this way. Day in, day out. Soaking up ignorance and basking in this bliss built off of oppression, and the worst part of it is that some of them know they’re sitting in bullshit and just choose not to care. Oh, the pathology of White Privilege is deep, and the psychopathy aggravates me in ways I can’t really articulate through text.
I think it can be summed up by “white privilege upper-class ‘liberal’ private boarding school and really hippy crunchy granola college education” ignorant motherfucking cracka, having a conversation ostensibly about the oppression of women but in a hipster way, meaning taking the “devil’s advocate” position to a WOC or QPOC and saying shit like, “But I mean you have to think of alternative points of view because everything like that is valid and me shutting you down because your point of view is so mainstream and overdone is totally valid but you saying “I’m being a dick” is totally unenlightened dude. We’re just having an intellectual conversation, why do you have to get all emotional? Thinking in abstract is just a higher level of intelligence.”
It’s when white people get so “educated’ that they think thinking in abstraction has more of a place in daily modern life than actual practical application of other peoples’ experiences.
The Haydn Effect:Child is witty and quick on his feet, quite often bringing a grin to the faces of those around him. Despite this he exhibits remarkable humility.
The Bach Effect:Child memorizes Scripture and says his prayers every day; may overwhelm listeners with his speech.
The Handel Effect:Much like the Bach Effect; in addition, the child may exhibit dramatic behavior.
The Beethoven Effect:Child develops a superiority complex and is prone to violent tantrums; is a perfectionist.
The Liszt Effect:Child speaks rapidly and extravagantly, but never really says anything important
The Bruckner Effect:Child speaks very slowly and repeats himself frequently. Gains a reputation for profundity.
The Grieg Effect:This child is quirky yet cheery. May be prone toward Norwegian folklore.
The Wagner Effect:Child becomes a megalomaniac. Speaks for six hours at a stretch.
The Schoenberg Effect:Child never repeats a word until he has used all the other words in his vocabulary. Sometimes talk backwards or upside-down. Eventually people stop listening to him. Child blames them for their inability to understand him.
The Ives Effect:Child develops a remarkable ability to carry on several separate conversations at once.
The Stravinsky Effect:Child is prone to savage, guttural and profane outbursts that lead to fighting and pandemonium in preschool.
The Shostakovich Effect:Child only expresses themselves in parent-approved ways.
The Cage Effect:Childs says exactly nothing for 4 minutes and 33 seconds. Preferred by 9 out of 10 classroom teachers.
The Glass Effect:Child repeats one word over, and over, and over, and over....
The Rachmaninoff Effect:the child will have rather large hands and an affinity towards really long words.
The Cowell effect:Child prefers to use eating utensils and other every day objects for purposes that are really outside of what they should be used for. Also seems oddly queer in everything ze does.
The Tchaikovsky Effect:Child idealizes everything in hir head and also really, really, REALLY loves ballet.
Over the course of 23 seasons, not one time has the show’s eclectic mix ever included a Bachelor or Bachelorette who is a person of color. Each of the 23 people who have filled the role of the Bachelor and Bachelorette-despite their apparent professional diversity-have all been white.
…Not only has every Bachelor and Bachelorette in the shows’ 23-season history been white, but nearly all of the ‘suitors’ are white as well. Females of color are few and far between on The Bachelor and, to the extent the show ever does contain non-white female contestants, they tend to be eliminated early on in the show. The same is true of males of color on The Bachelorette. The result is an almost all or entirely all white group of contestants featured on the shows every week that they air.
The shows’ complete lack of people of color is no accident. As illustrated below, and upon information and belief, numerous people of color have applied to be the Bachelor or Bachelorette. These applicants were denied the same opportunity to become the next Bachelor or Bachelorette as white contestants not because they were unsuitable for the role or could not contribute to the show’s ‘eclectic mix,’ but solely because of the perceived risk that casting a Bachelor or Bachelorette who is a person of color would alienate the show’s majority-white viewership. Intentional discrimination, even if based on perceptions of customer bias, is prohibited by … the California Civil Code.
”—From the complaint against ABC, “The Bachelor,” creator Mike Fleiss, and the production companies, filed by lead plaintiffs Nathaniel Claybrooks and Christopher Johnson. They allege that they applied for the lead role in “The Bachelor” but were never really considered because they are black.
Though the show’s creators allegedly attribute the lack of diversity to a lack of diverse applicants,” Claybrooks and Johnson call that “patently untrue, and a pretext for racial discrimination.” (via racebending)